LibraryThing is pleased to sit down this month with internationally best-selling author Lisa Unger, whose many works of thrilling suspense have been translated into thirty-three languages worldwide. Educated at the New School in New York City, she worked for a number of years in publishing, before making her authorial debut in 2002 with Angel Fire, the first of her four-book Lydia Strong series, all published under her maiden name, Lisa Miscione. In 2006 she made her debut as Lisa Unger, with Beautiful Lies, the first of her Ridley Jones series. In 2019 Unger was nominated for two Edgar Awards, for her novel Under My Skin and her short story The Sleep Tight Motel. She has won or been nominated for numerous other awards, including the Hammett Prize, Audie Award, Macavity Award and the Shirley Jackson Award. Her short fiction can be found in anthologies like The Best American Mystery and Suspense 2021 and The Best American Mystery and Suspense 2024, and her non-fiction has appeared in publications such as The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and on NPR. She is the current co-President of the International Thriller Writers organization. Her latest book, Served Him Right, is due out from Park Row Books this month. Unger sat down with Abigail this month to discuss the book.

In Served Him Right the protagonist Ana is the main suspect in her ex-boyfriend’s murder. How did the idea for the story first come to you? Was it the character of Ana herself, the idea of a revenge killing, or something else?

Most of my novels tend to spring from a collision of ideas.

In this case, I had an ongoing obsession with plants and our complicated, troubled relationship to the natural world. I’d been doing a deep dive into this, reading books like Entangled Life: How Fungi Make Our Worlds, Change Our Minds, and Shape Our Futures by Merlin Sheldrake, Most Delicious Poison: The Story of Nature’s Toxins – From Spices to Vices by Noah Whiteman, and The Light Eaters: How the Unseen World of Plant Intelligence Offers a New Understanding of Life on Earth by Zoë Schlanger. These are all deeply moving, fascinating books that will change the way you think about the planet and our relationship to nature.

During this time, I stumbled across a news story about a woman who held a brunch for her family, and several days later two of her guests were dead. And it wasn’t the first such incident in her life. So, it got me to thinking about how the traditional role of women in our culture is to nurture and nourish. And what a woman with a deep knowledge of plants that can harm and heal might do with it, how her role in society might allow her to hide her dark intention in plain sight. And that’s when I started hearing the voice of Ana Blacksmith. She’s wild and unpredictable, she has a dark side. She has a sacred knowledge of plants and their properties, handed down to her from her herbalist aunt. And she has a very bad temper.

As your title makes plain, your murder victim is someone who “had it coming.” Does this change how you tell the story? Does it simply make the “whodunnit” element more complex, from a procedural standpoint, or does it also complicate the emotional and ethical elements of the tale?

It’s complicated, isn’t it? What is the difference between justice and revenge? And to what are we entitled when we have been wronged and conventional justice is not served? Who, if anyone, has the right to be judge, jury, and executioner? Though some would have us believe otherwise, most moral questions are tricky and layered—in life and in fiction. And I love a searing exploration into questions like this, where there are no easy answers. These questions, and their possible answers, offer a complexity and emotional truth to character, plot, and action. I like to get under the skin of my stories and characters, exploring what drives us to act, and how those actions might get us into deep trouble.

The relationship between sisters is an important theme in the book. Can you elaborate on that?

Ana and Vera share a deep bond formed not just by blood but also by trauma. Their relationship is—#complicated. There’s an abiding love and devotion. But there’s also anger and resentment; Vera is not crazy about Ana’s choices, and rightly so. Ana thinks Vera is controlling and rigid. Of course, that’s true, too. Vera tends to think of Ana as one of her children—if only she’d stop acting like one! It is this relationship, the ferocity with which they protect each other no matter what and the strength of their connection, that is the heart of the story. As Vera preaches to her daughter Coraline: Family. Imperfect but indelible.

The book also includes themes of herbalism, witchcraft and folk medicine. Was this an interest of yours before you began the story? Did you have to do any research on the subject, and if so, what were some of the most interesting things you learned?

A great deal of research goes into every novel, even if what I learn never winds up on the page. It was no different for Served Him Right, though a lot of my knowledge came before I started writing, which is often the case. In my reading, I learned so many interesting things about plants, how they harm, how they heal. Here are some of my favorite bits of knowledge: Most modern medicine derives from the plant knowledge of indigenous cultures. Some plants walk the razor’s edge of healing and harming; the only difference in some cases between medicine and poison is the dose. The deadliest plant on earth is tobacco, killing more than 500,000 people a year. I could go on!

Tell us about your writing process. Do you have a specific routine you follow, places and times you like to write? Do you know the conclusion to your stories from the beginning, or do they come to you as you go along?

I am an early morning writer. My golden creative hours are from 5 AM to noon. This is when I’m closest to my dream brain, and those morning hours are a space in the world before the business of being an author ramps up. So, I try to honor this as much as possible. Creativity comes first.

I write without an outline. I have no idea who is going to show up day-to-day or what they are going to do. I definitely have no idea how the book will end! I write for the same reason that I read; I want to find out what is going to happen to the people living in my head.

What’s next for you? Do you have more books in the offing? Will there be a sequel to Served Him Right?

Hmm. Never say never. I’m definitely still thinking about Ana and Timothy and what might be next for them. But the 2027 book is complete, and I’m already at work on my 2028 novel. I’m not ready to talk about those yet. But I will say this: They are both psychological suspense. And bad things will certainly happen. Stay tuned!

Tell us about your library. What’s on your own shelves?

That’s a great question. If I turn around and look at my wall of shelves, I see: my own novels in various formats and international editions; books on craft like On Writing: A Memoir of the Craft by Stephen King, and Bird by Bird: Some Instructions on Writing and Life by Anne Lamott; there are classics like a falling-apart copy of Jane Eyre by Charlotte Brontë that I’ve had since childhood; The Complete Sherlock Holmes by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and The Temple of My Familiar by Alice Walker—both of which are overworn and much loved; a huge American Heritage Dictionary that belonged to my father who was engineer but loved words and the nuance of their meaning (whenever I look at it, I hear him say: Look it up!); some of my favorite non-fiction titles like Stiff by Mary Roach and Deep Survival by Laurence Gonzalez; a first edition copy of In Cold Blood by Truman Capote, the book that gave me permission to be who I am as writer. I could go on and on! It’s a huge wall of books.

What have you been reading lately, and what would you recommend to other readers?

I am always reading multiple books at a time. I just finished The Awakened Brain: The New Science of Spirituality and Our Quest for an Inspired Life by Dr. Lisa Miller. I think the title says it all—truly mind-blowing. I just had the pleasure of interviewing Adele Parks on stage. I highly recommend her new novel Our Beautiful Mess to anyone who wants a character-driven thrill ride. Gripping but also emotional and deep. Antihero by my ITW co-president and bestie Gregg Hurwitz is a tour de force. Gregg writes amazing action and cool tech, but he’s also just a beautiful writer, and his characters leap off the page. Other recent faves: The Night of the Storm by Nishita Parekh; City Under One Roof by Iris Yamashita; I Came Back for You by Kate White—all stellar in totally different ways.

LibraryThing is pleased to sit down this month with best-selling Taiwanese Canadian author Janie Chang, whose works of historical fiction draw upon her family history in pre-World War II China. After taking a degree in computer science, and then graduating from the Writer’s Studio Program at Simon Fraser University, Chang made her authorial debut in 2013 with the novel Three Souls, which was shortlisted in the fiction category for the BC and Yukon Book Prizes. Subsequent titles include Dragon Springs Road (2017), longlisted for the International Dublin Literary Award; The Library of Legends (2020), nominated for the Evergreen Award; The Porcelain Moon (2023); and The Phoenix Crown (2024), which was co-written with Kate Quinn. Chang was the founder of the Authors for Indies event, running from 2015-17, which eventually became Canadian Independent Bookstore Day. Her sixth book, The Fourth Princess: A Gothic Novel of Old Shanghai—available this month as an Early Reviewer giveaway—was published earlier in February. Chang sat down with Abigail this month to discuss the book.

How did the idea for The Fourth Princess first come to you? Many of your books are described as being inspired by your family history. Do you have a family connection to this tale as well?

The Fourth Princess came about purely from a desire to challenge myself by writing in the Gothic vein, moving away from historical to a different genre. So alas, there aren’t any fascinating family connections to this tale.

Your story is set in 1911, in “Old Shanghai.” Did you need to do any kind of research about the history of the city during that period? What were some of the most interesting things you learned?

You should never ask a historical novelist about interesting things learned. You’ll end up with a 12-page essay! I knew that Shanghai had entire neighborhoods of Western-style homes, often called “garden villas.” Many of those homes are still there. What I did not realize was that there were also huge estates outside what was then the city center, owned by the wealthiest families, both foreign and Chinese. They occupied properties as large as 10 acres. The mansion that inspired Lennox Manor in the novel was called Dennartt, built in 1898 by a British barrister. It had a huge garden, lawns, a manmade lake, stables for polo ponies and living quarters for the grooms and house servants. Dennartt still stands, surrounded by apartments and houses instead of lawns and rose gardens and tennis courts.

I also learned that there were electric cars back then! For a while, both internal combustion gas engines and electric engine vehicles were available to consumers. Gas engines were difficult and dangerous to crank up, the emissions were dirty, but could drive farther. Electric vehicles were easy to start and clean to drive, and advertisements aimed them at women for city driving. But once a reliable ignition system for gas engines was invented, electric vehicles lost popularity. In the novel, I have an American import a car for his wife, so that’s the reason behind that particular rabbit hole. And in the end, he did not import an electric car.

Many of your earlier novels feature a fantastical element, from the ghost in Three Souls to an animal spirit in Dragon Springs Road. What role does the fantastic play in The Fourth Princess, and how does it help you to tell your story?

There is the possibility of a ghost. As the servants in the story explain to Lisan, one of the main characters, a previous owner committed suicide in Lennox Manor. Chinese superstitions say that the ghost of a suicide is the worst kind there is because they’re trapped in the afterlife, unable to move on to reincarnation unless they find a replacement. They need to drive another person to suicide, usually through madness. In Gothic novels, there’s always a strong element of psychological fear as well as real danger, so when Lisan sees or thinks she sees a woman in red outside in the garden, are her eyes playing tricks on her? When she hears wailing and sobbing at night, is it the supernatural or just the wind funneling down chimneys and cracks?

This new book addresses the meeting of East and West, both through the characters of Lisan Liu and Caroline Stanton, and in the use of a Gothic literary aesthetic more often associated with Europe. Can you expand upon that? What significance does it have?

It’s absolutely true that “traditional” Gothic novels favor European settings in a remote location, preferably with bad weather. The essential elements of Gothic, however, are portable: a setting that oozes menace and unease, a young woman who discovers a terrible secret and finds herself in danger. In transposing classic Gothic tropes to an Asian setting, it was important for me to do so in a way that was plausible and unique to this time and place.

One of the themes in The Fourth Princess is that of identity. Both Caroline and Lisan have a hidden past. Once these are revealed, what do they do, what are they willing to risk, who should they become? For me, a Shanghai setting made it absolutely necessary to have both Chinese and Western heroines because the city was a bizarre mix of East and West.

Tell us a little bit about your writing process. Do you have a particular schedule or routine that you keep to, a specific spot where you like to write? Do you map your story out ahead of time, or discover it as you go along?

First, I have to write out a summary of the story plus the historical events and background that are the setting, just to stay anchored. Over time, I’ve found myself putting more effort into mapping out the story because it helps get over the sagging middle part of a novel. It’s no fun getting stuck in the middle of the story because it makes you doubt whether the story is worth writing at all.

For schedule, I down two cups of coffee and then get to writing. The main thing is to write every day, even if you’re not happy with it. You need to make progress on the story and remember that the next step is revision. One of the best pieces of advice I ever heard was that “revision” is “re-vision.” When you revise, you are re-visioning the story.

It would be nice if the story moved along according to plan, but as a storyteller, you need to be open to opportunities. You run across a tidbit of research that adds authenticity or detail or insight to the story and you make changes. Then there are the times when the characters themselves are a discovery, when they start telling you who they are and their real motivations. Those are the best moments in the writing process, and make up for all the other hours of agony.

What comes next for you? Do you have any new books you’re working on?

I’m currently researching a new book, nothing announced yet. However, I will be co-authoring again with Kate Quinn on a novel that we’ll start working on this summer. It’s working title is The Jade Mirror and we call it an adventure on the high seas, about two women whose nautical achievements have been largely forgotten.

Tell us about your library. What’s on your own shelves?

I love historical fiction and speculative fiction, and it shows. I also enjoy mystery and crime. There’s one shelf reserved for children’s books that I refuse to throw out. The Narnia series, the Doctor Dolittles, and so on. I have a weakness for cookbooks with nice photos. And I have a section of shelves that hold research books.

What have you been reading lately, and what would you recommend to other readers?

I’ve been reading the Claire North trilogy The Songs of Penelope: Ithaca, House of Odysseus, The Last Song of Penelope. When Odysseus and all the able bodied men of Ithaca went off to the Trojan War, the only people left on the island were women, children, and old men. As queen, Penelope still had to keep the economy going, maintain the security of her island nation, all the while fending off suitors. This is her story and it’s funny and snarky, intelligent, told from the point of view of the women of Ithaca, and it’s about geopolitics.

I highly recommend this series. In fact, I highly recommend anything by Claire North.